tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2473166537823294555.post4957082078922487541..comments2023-11-02T06:04:23.552-04:00Comments on Back to the Drawing Board: Who Said Anything About Legitimacy?: A Long-Winded Reply to Brainpolice and MichaelDannyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14933199894935324897noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2473166537823294555.post-74014035150528635472009-02-08T22:32:00.000-05:002009-02-08T22:32:00.000-05:00Check out http://secession.net and htp:/middlebury...Check out http://secession.net and htp:/middleburyinstitute.orgCarolMooreReporthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01814374256334339684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2473166537823294555.post-14723273270582731762009-01-02T16:07:00.000-05:002009-01-02T16:07:00.000-05:00Man, I wish I were talking to those people...Man, I wish I were talking to those people...Dannyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14933199894935324897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2473166537823294555.post-56386672317240244502009-01-02T15:59:00.000-05:002009-01-02T15:59:00.000-05:00Vehement opposition? I dunno about that.I find tha...Vehement opposition? I dunno about that.<BR/><BR/>I find that most people agree market anarchy would be desirable, but they "just don't see how it could work."<BR/>So in the end it mostly just boils down to <A HREF="http://libertariananarchy.com/2008/12/ecognorance/" REL="nofollow">ecognorance</A>.Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16615367646825440024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2473166537823294555.post-41253083273374005882009-01-01T23:54:00.000-05:002009-01-01T23:54:00.000-05:00Regarding the first point, I think it's at least a...Regarding the first point, I think it's at least a little reasonable to think that the vehement opposition most anarchists encounter nearly every time they open their mouths counts somehow as support of the system as it stands. No?<BR/><BR/>On the second point, I wholeheartedly agree. That's why I spend my time trying to show why the current system is simply not the best way to live together as people, even if there's nothing <I>evil</I> or inherently illegitimate about it.Dannyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14933199894935324897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2473166537823294555.post-51660506833560284362009-01-01T23:28:00.000-05:002009-01-01T23:28:00.000-05:00I'm not trying to "prove" that any State is legiti...<I>I'm not trying to "prove" that any State is legitimate. What I'm saying is that in communities where the central decision-making apparatus is widely embraced, and where libertarians have moved into those communities by their own volition, it's not clear that they have a very strong case to back up their claims that they are being robbed through taxes.</I><BR/><BR/>OK, so you're not trying to justify the State's legitimacy, but to make the weaker case that taxation might not be robbery in certain scenarios.<BR/><BR/>Coupled with your view that "there is no bulletproof theory of legitimate original appropriation for individuals, much less groups", I think you could make a strong argument for this if you could demonstrate actual consent by the citizens.<BR/><BR/>And regarding the "love it or leave it" argument, I think my circular reasoning objection applies only to the stronger case of justifying the State, which you're not making.<BR/><BR/><I>If the statists want to have centrally organized communities, where rents are collected in order to sponsor public programs, they should be able to do that.</I><BR/><BR/>Agreed. But I imagine if they were aware of the egregious destruction caused by drug prohibition, gun control, protectionism, etc. they would change their minds.Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16615367646825440024noreply@blogger.com