Friday, February 29, 2008

Respecting the Rich Victim: Boundary Crossings and Critical Opportunities

I wrote this paper last semester for my Political Philosophy class, and I figured I should probably post it here, since it's relevant to the kinds of things I talk about on this site. Without further ado:



In Anarchy, State, and Utopia, Robert Nozick sets out to build a framework for an ideal social order. His approach is somewhat unusual for Utopian literature. As Ludwig von Mises famously pointed out, Utopians typically explain how “…in the cloud-cuckoo lands of their fancy, roast pigeons will in some way fly into the mouths of the comrades, but they omit to show how this miracle is to take place.”[1] So rather than dwelling on prophecies of a specific Utopian paradise, Nozick avoids Mises’ criticism by setting his sights lower, focusing on how people could live together harmoniously, striving for personal goals while respecting each other as dignified individuals.[2] Such a world, Nozick believed, would be a Utopia. And for what it’s worth, I think so to.

As a libertarian myself, I agree with the basic thrust behind his argument. Nozick’s framework is built upon the notion of respect for others. He wholeheartedly accepts the Kantian characterization of people as ends-in-themselves, and bases his entire argument on the inherent correctness of treating people the way that they ought to be treated. To Nozick, this means that people are not to be used or sacrificed in order to achieve other ends, and that limits must be honored on the range of acceptable interactions that one can have with other individuals without their consent.[3] At first glance, these principles seem obviously right.

However, in this paper, I will probe Nozick’s conception of appropriate respect, in order to better understand its application to a particular sort of situation, which I will call the “Rich Victim Problem.” It is my contention that the Rich Victim Problem creates real problems for Nozick’s conception of appropriate respect. But before tackling the problem, I want to outline Nozick’s views concerning compensation and boundary crossing in ordinary circumstances.

Compensation in the Absence of Consent

In many situations, individuals want to perform actions that they know will infringe upon the rights of others. Nozick allows that in some situations, going forward with the action might be justifiable, provided that compensation is paid later. He explains, “The reason one sometimes would wish to allow boundary crossings with compensation…is presumably the great benefits of the act; it is worthwhile, ought to be done, and can pay its way.”[4] In other words, if in full knowledge of the fact that she would have to compensate her victim for the damage she caused to him, an individual still wanted to proceed with her course of action, then it would mean that causing the damage was more valuable to her than the compensating value which she would lose. And because her victim would be compensated for his losses, no one would end up being made worse off by the action.

But Nozick is quick to acknowledge that this idea applies only when it is consistent with having full respect for others. He writes, “…a system permitting boundary crossing, provided compensation is paid, embodies the use of persons as means…”[5] The reasoning behind this is somewhat difficult to understand. The most intuitive argument is illustrated in a claim by Gerald Sauer that “We all choose goals and purse them. And in pursuing our ends, we want our persons and our activities to be physically respected by others. We do not want others to injure us or to disrupt our activities without a compelling justification.”[6] But if people were truly being compensated completely for all of the damage they undergo, then it is puzzling why they should object; they would be made no worse off than they would have been had their boundaries remained uncross.

Nozick’s own explanation is subject to the same objection. He claims that “…knowing they are being so used, and that their plans and expectations are liable to being thwarted arbitrarily, is a cost to people…”[7] But if people knew that they would be completely compensated for any damage caused to them, it might seem irrational for them to fear. Nozick seems to think that whether or not this is the case, people do nevertheless fear harms for which they will be compensated,[8] and it would be disrespectful to create conditions in which such fear would be prevalent. For the sake of discussion, I will grant Nozick this point.

Getting prior consent before crossing any boundaries would seem to be in order, then. But Nozick recognizes that sometimes obtaining this permission is very difficult, or even impossible. Further, the actor might have very good reason to believe that she would be able to come to a prior agreement the victim if only she could properly negotiate with him. In these sorts of situations, Nozick points out that prohibition would be inefficient, as it would prevent the implementation of an entire group of actions which would produce a net benefit. Accordingly, he acknowledges that boundary crossings might be justifiable in some instances where it is difficult or impossible to obtain prior consent, provided that victims are completely compensated.

The Story of the Rich Victim

Having outlined Nozick’s views concerning boundary crossing and compensation, we can move onto the Rich Victim Problem. I will illustrate the Problem through the story of a fellow named Jerry who has just applied for a new job working at an architecture firm. Jerry is extremely poor, though he is not starving, and does not technically need the job to survive. But the job would be intellectually stimulating, and would completely change Jerry’s life, giving him a sense of purpose and value.

Jerry’s friend Sally works at the architecture firm, and has informed Jerry that the head architect wants to hire him over all of the other candidates. But the architect values enthusiasm very highly, and expects Jerry to follow up on his interview by noon. After noon, the architect will give the job to another applicant. So all Jerry needs to do is call by noon, and he will get the job.

But when he picks up the phone at 11:00 to call the head architect, Jerry discovers that the line is dead. He looks out his window, and sees that a branch has fallen from a tree, snapping the telephone wire running to his home. Jerry bolts out the door and across the street to his neighbor Lucy’s house. Lucy is a very wealthy woman who, for some reason, lives in an extravagant home in the middle of nowhere; Lucy’s and Jerry’s are the only houses for miles. Unfortunately, when Jerry arrives at Lucy’s door, he discovers that she is not home. He remembers suddenly that she has gone on a vacation, and will certainly not be returning within the hour.

As Jerry contemplates his horrible fate, he considers whether or not it would be justifiable for him to break into Lucy’s house to use her phone. He knows that the only way to get in would be to smash in one of her ostentatious windows, and even with his new job, he would never be able to come close to completely compensating her for the damage. At best, he could afford to pay a negligibly small fraction of the total.

But Jerry knows that Lucy’s wealth is so vast that she could easily replace whatever he broke; she would barely even notice the small decrease in her net worth. Jerry acknowledges that Lucy has a right to not have her window smashed in, but wonders if the importance of his phone call would justify him in smashing it anyway.

To Smash or Not to Smash?

To help us make sense of Jerry’s situation, it will help to introduce a bit of terminology. In her essay, “Self-Defense and Rights,” Judith Thomson writes:

“Suppose a man has a right that something or other shall be the case; let us say he has a right that p, where p is some statement or other, and now suppose that we make p false. So, for example, if his right is the right that he is not punched in the nose, we make that false, that is, we bring it about that he is punched in the nose. Then, as I shall say, we infringe his right. But I shall say that we violate his right if and only if we do not merely infringe his right, but more, are acting wrongly, unjustly in doing so.”[9]

Accordingly, we will seek to answer the following question: If Jerry smashed Lucy’s window despite being unable to compensate her for the damage, would he be infringing upon her rights, or would he be violating them?

Thomson notes that an individual must be compensated for infringements upon her rights,[10] and Nozick seems to agree. Further, it appears that if compensation were not paid, then both would say that the victim’s rights would have been violated. To this end, Nozick writes, “…some injuries may not be compensable; and for those that are compensable, how can the agent know that the actual compensation won’t be beyond his means?”[11] In the Rich Victim Problem, we have supposed that the agent knows for a fact that the actual compensation will be beyond his means. So on the face of it, it would seem like Nozick would clearly insist that Jerry not smash Lucy’s window.

But this seems curious in light of the reasons that Nozick wants to allow boundary crossings in the first place. He seems to justify them on the basis of net benefits; in fact, he specifically asserts that “The most efficient policy forgoes the fewest net beneficial acts…”[12] And in our story, it is clear that Jerry’s smashing Lucy’s window would produce a net benefit. Recall that Jerry’s life would be changed as a result of being hired, while the damage to Lucy’s window would barely produce a scratch in her enormous wealth. It may be true that there is no good way to compare utility between individuals, but it seems clear that in the Rich Victim Problem, we can fairly say that the magnitude of Jerry’s utility gain would far exceed that of Lucy’s loss.

The difficulty in Nozick’s thinking seems to be the result of treating compensation as being capable of accomplishing two different tasks at the same time. Nozick is clearly thinking that compensation makes up for the damage experienced by the victim, ensuring that her interests have not been harmed as a result of the invasion. In this regard his foundation is sturdy. But Nozick is also talking as if the act of compensation represented a direct transfer of gain from the boundary crosser to the victim. Otherwise, it would be unclear how he would expect a system of compensation to forego the fewest net beneficial acts. This is where he runs into trouble.

Suppose for a moment that we could somehow measure utility objectively, and compare it between Jerry and Lucy. If Jerry smashed Lucy’s window, he would gain a tremendous amount of utility, and Lucy would lose some utility. We might imagine that by smashing Lucy’s window, Jerry made Lucy worse off by some quantity of utility, X. We might also imagine that taking some quantity of money from Jerry, say $100, would cause a loss of the same amount of utility, X, for Jerry. But if we were to give the $100 to Lucy, the amount of utility she would gain would be far smaller than X. Perhaps the amount of money necessary to bring Lucy back to her original level of utility would be $50,000 (it was a really expensive window). In light of the disparity between the $100 and the $50,000, it becomes clear that when a victim and boundary crosser value the medium of compensation differently, the act of compensating the victim can not simultaneously accomplish both of the roles that Nozick implies that it can.

As a result, when Nozick characterizes boundary crossing without compensation as a violation of a victim’s rights, and thereby deems it worthy of prohibition, he creates the potential for an entire class of net beneficial actions to be foregone. And by Nozick’s own admission, this could mean that his would fail to be the most efficient policy. So when push comes to shove, what is most important? Should we prohibit the net beneficial actions in order to avoid sacrificing the interests of the victims for the sake of the boundary crossers?

We need a way to decide. In his essay, “Does Reason Tell Us What Moral Code to Follow and, Indeed, to Follow Any Moral Code at All?,” John Harsanyi poses a question that could help us with our choice: “Taking an impartial point of view, that is, disregarding what your own social position would be in either society, would you prefer to live in a society governed by the first moral code or in a society governed by the second?”[13]

It seems as though in answering this question, Nozick would want to err on the side of respect for individuals, and therefore take the side of the victims. And Nozick’s position appears defensible. Harsanyi points out that “No doubt, most of us would very much prefer to live in a society whose moral code requires people to respect individual rights and personal obligations, except in some very special situations…”[14] And so even if people in Jerry’s position were forced to forego net beneficial actions, we might still prefer to live in a society based on respect for victims’ rights.

This conclusion is strengthened by one of Nozick’s central arguments, which is that social benefits can never be an excuse to violate the rights of an individual. He argues:

“…there is no social entity with a good that undergoes a sacrifice for its own good. There are only individual people, with their own individual lives. Using one of these people for the benefit of others, uses him and benefits the others. Nothing more. What happens is something is done to him for the sake of others. Talk of an overall social good covers this up…To use a person in this way does not sufficiently respect and take account of the fact that he is a separate person, that his is the only life he has. He does not get some overbalancing good for his sacrifice, and no one is entitled to force this upon him…”[15]

It is clear that with regard to Lucy’s situation, Nozick’s argument describes things perfectly. To allow Jerry to smash Lucy’s window would be to do something to her for the sake of Jerry. Indeed, she would not get any overbalancing good for her sacrifice. And yet, I can not help but feel like Jerry is getting a poor deal. I feel badly for Jerry in a way that I usually don’t with regard to people who want to violate the rights of others. Is there anything that can be said on Jerry’s behalf, to support his smashing Lucy’s window?

Critically Important Opportunities

I believe there is. In her essay, “Some Ruminations on Rights,” Judith Thomson tells the following story:

“There is a child who will die if he is not given some drugs in the future. The only bit of that drug which can be obtained for him in the near future is yours. You are out of town, so we telephone you to ask. You refuse consent. You keep your supply of the drug in a locked box on your back porch.”[16]

Confronted with this scenario, Thomson wonders if it would be permissible to break into the locked box to take the drug, even though you had refused to consent to our doing so. She points out that the morality of this action would seem to have something to do with how much you valued the drug. If you valued the drug very highly, it would be difficult to say how we ought to proceed. But if you valued the drug very little, the proper course of action would be clear: we ought to take the drug. Thomson justifies her conclusion by pointing out that if you value the drug very little, and giving it away would save someone’s life, “…it is indecent for you to refuse to consent…”[17]

Thomson’s account raises an interesting possibility. Could it be that by insisting that your right to your drugs were respected, you were somehow disrespecting the child? It seems to me that this is exactly what Thomson is implying. But how does this view compare to Nozick’s?

It is clear that within Nozick’s framework, your refusal does not cross any boundary. By refusing consent, in effect what you are doing is depriving the child of an opportunity. Specifically, you are depriving the child of the opportunity to do something which can only be done by crossing one of your boundaries. Because in Nozick’s framework, boundaries are indicative of the respect to which one is entitled, he would need to say that it would be disrespectful for the child to cross your boundaries when you had specifically refused consent.

But Thomson is suggesting the opposite: it is disrespectful for you to refuse consent. The basis for this claim seems to be twofold. First, the child requires your drug in order to live. Second, you value the drug very little. An obvious principle can be drawn from these observations: It is disrespectful to refuse to allow a person to cross your boundaries if doing so is absolutely necessary to her, and allowing her to do so would harm you very little.

It seems to me that this principle is very much on the track to being correct. But some difficulties immediately present themselves. First, we have said nothing of compensation. For our purposes, we need not address the question of whether one would be entitled to compensation for a necessary boundary crossing in a case where the boundary crosser could afford to pay the compensation. I suspect that compelling arguments could be made on both sides, and I do not wish to attempt an adequate discussion of this issue here.

The question that concerns this essay is whether it would be disrespectful to refuse to allow a necessary boundary crossing in a case where the boundary crosser could not afford to compensate you for the minor inconvenience of her action. And to answer this question, I propose the following thought experiment. Imagine if you saw someone refusing to give the drug for the child, even though you knew it would be little bother if he gave the drug up. Would you not consider the owner of the drug to be repellent and monstrous? I certainly would. And if the child stole the drug, would you feel disdain for her blatant disregard for the man? I think not. Though I can provide no more substantive argument than that, I will suggest that the boundary crossing would be fully consistent with the child according all due respect to the owner of the drug, and that the refusal of consent displayed a clear lack of respect for the fact that child’s life was the only one she has.

Accepting this, we are one step closer to assenting to Jerry’s smashing Lucy’s window, but an obvious hurdle remains. In Thomson’s example, the child needs the drug to live; in Jerry’s case, he will survive whether or not he smashes Lucy’s window. Further, while the child would have died as a result of failing to take the drug, Jerry would only be left disappointed. And his disappointment, it seems, would only reflect his inability to sacrifice Lucy’s rights for his own interests. Typically, this is not the sort of disappointment which demands sympathy.

And yet, it seems like Jerry does deserve sympathy. His lost opportunity would not kill him, but it still seems that it would be awful for Jerry to lose out on it. Getting the job, we might say, is critically important to Jerry. Could it be fair to say that even critically important opportunities would justify crossing boundaries, regardless of whether compensation could be paid? Again, without offering a substantive argument in my favor, I will suggest that when the damage caused by the boundary crossing is very small, such an act would be justified. Appealing to intuition alone, then, I will adopt the principle that it is disrespectful to refuse consent to a boundary crossing which would do little harm to you, but would deprive the boundary crosser of a critically important opportunity, even if the boundary crosser would not be able to compensate you for the damage she caused.

If we agree to this principle, then it becomes clear that Jerry would be justified in smashing Lucy’s window. This would be true not because Jerry strongly desires to smash Lucy’s window, or because Jerry’s benefits would outweigh Lucy’s costs. Reasons like these would immediately fall prey to Nozick’s demand that we properly respect Lucy’s individuality. Rather, Jerry would be justified in smashing Lucy’s window because it is critically important to Jerry that he do so, and because it would harm Lucy very little. Or to put it another way, we could say that Jerry would be justified in smashing Lucy’s window because it would be disrespectful to not allow him to smash it.

By saying this, am I implying that Lucy does not have the right to not have her window smashed by Jerry? I do not believe so. It seems to me that it is because of Lucy’s right to not have her window smashed that we must have this conversation in the first place. Lucy does have the right to not have her window smashed, and violating it would be disrespectful of her right. What we are saying here is that by smashing Lucy’s window, Jerry infringes upon Lucy’s right, but does not violate it, because he is not acting wrongly. If the harm to Lucy were greater, or Jerry’s opportunity less critical, we might come to the opposite conclusion.


Thus it should be noticed that I have left two central terms undefined in my account so far. I have said nothing about what constitutes a critically important opportunity, and equally little about what constitutes a small harm to the victim. This has been by design, as I hope to avoid objections based on my definitions of those terms. I can only appeal to intuition in saying that however we define a critically important opportunity, Jerry’s circumstances represent one, and similarly, Lucy’s losses seem small enough to justify Jerry’s smashing the window.

This will not be a sufficient answer for someone seeking to put this principle into action. And it will not do to suggest that in the common law, vague guidelines such as these are rather common. My opponents might argue that “The beauty of the property rights approach…is that it need not become mired in…subjective quicksands. It assigns property to its rightful owners, and places the burden of purchase on those who would alter these allocations.”[18] If I seek to convince them, I would need to be able to avoid appeals to vague, subjective notions of comparative valuation.

There are two ways to proceed from here. The first is to suggest that perhaps there is no way to put my principle into action. Nozick himself points out, “Because great transaction costs may make the fairest alternative impracticable, one may search for other alternatives…These alternatives will involve constant minor unfairness and classes of major ones.”[19] It may be that we would prefer to live in a society which prohibited Jerry’s actions in order to avoid allowing objectionable rights violations in cases where our principle were not applicable, but where it would be impossible to determine that this were the case. It does not then harm my argument to say that Jerry would be justified in smashing Lucy’s window, but that we might never be able to form an adequate policy to allow this, and therefore we might simply end up punishing Jerry unfairly.

The other way to proceed would be to argue that there are ways to put my principle into action that would not be objectionable because of unfair comparisons of utility between individuals. It seems to me that this could obviously work in extreme cases. And because my principle is designed specifically for extreme cases, it may be that we would never feel the need to apply it in a situation where its applicability would be questioned.

But what of the possibility that an adjudicator would declare a harm to be insignificant, even though the victim subjectively felt it was severe, or that an individual would feel that an opportunity was critically important, though others could not understand why? Putting my principle into action likely would result in the potential for major unfairness in these sorts of scenarios. And to this possibility I have no response; if as a society, we would rather err on the side of the victim, then I can provide no objective argument in opposition.


I recognize that I have attempted here is nothing short of audacious. I also believe that what I have said makes a lot of sense. The implications of accepting my principle, however, might be too much for many people to stomach. Specifically, it seems like we could justify certain redistributive policies by applying it, where providing some critically important value to the needy would come at a comparatively insignificant cost to the victims.

I do not want to defend such an incendiary suggestion here. I will only suggest that we consider the possibility that this would be fair. As Nozick writes:

“…the term “redistributive” applies to types of reasons for an arrangement, rather than to an arrangement itself. We might elliptically call an arrangement “redistributive” if its major (only possible) supporting reasons are themselves redistributive…Finding compelling nonredistributive reasons would cause us to drop this label.”[20]

Perhaps what we have accomplished here is to provide such reasons. But I do not wish to get ahead of myself. For now, I will be satisfied if we agree that Jerry would be justified in smashing Lucy’s window, and that to say this does not imply any disrespect for Lucy whatsoever.

[1] Mises, L. von, 1990 (1920), Economic Calculation in the Socialist Commonwealth, page 2. Available online at

[2] Nozick, R., 1974, Anarchy, State, and Utopia, Cambridge: Better Books, Inc., pages 333-334.

[3] Nozick, R., op cit., pages 30-31.

[4] Nozick, R., op cit., page 72.

[5] Nozick, R., op cit., page 71.

[6] Sauer, G. L., 1982, “Imposed Risk Controversies: A Critical Analysis,” Cato Journal, Vol. 2, No. 1, page 234.

[7] Nozick, R., op cit., page 71.

[8] Nozick, R., op cit., page 70.

[9] Thomson, J. J., 1986a, “Self-Defense and Rights,” in Rights, Restitution, & Risk, Cambridge: Harvard University Press, page 40.

[10] Thomson, J. J., 1986a, op cit., pages 40-41.

[11] Nozick, R., op cit., page 71.

[12] Nozick, R., op cit., page 73.

[13] Harsanyi, J. C., 1985, “Does Reason Tell Us What Moral Code to Follow and, Indeed, to Follow Any Moral Code at All?” Ethics, Vol. 96, No. 1, page 45.

[14] Harsanyi, J. C., op cit., page 47.

[15] Nozick, R., op cit., pages 32-33.

[16] Thomson, J. J., 1986b, “Some Ruminations on Rights,” in Rights, Restitution, & Risk, Cambridge: Harvard University Press, page 57.

[17] Thomson, J. J., 1986b, op cit., page 58.

[18] McGee, R. W., and Block, W. E., 1994, “Pollution Trading Permits as a Form of Market Socialism and the Search for a Real Market Solution to Environmental Pollution,” Fordham Environmental Law Journal, Vol. 6, No. 1, page 76.

[19] Nozick, op cit., page 77.

[20] Nozick, op cit., 27.


Kevin K. Biomech said...

Since I didn't think it appropriate to leave a treatise here, I replied to this on my forum at

Hopefully you'll like my answer. It's not as vague, to my way of thinking, as your article presumes.

Dmitry Chernikov said...

You may want to make two distinctions here: first, between political ethics and ethics in general; second, between rule and act utilitarianisms. Political ethics deals with proper uses of violence. The first distinction thus implies that you may perhaps have a moral right to smash the window or to steal the drug, but you don't have the legal right to do so. A judge would have no choice but to punish you for damaging property or theft even beyond merely ordering restitution even if you feel morally justified.

The second distinction implies that the rules following which normally secures the most happiness can in certain circumstances be violated in order to serve utilitarianism directly, that is, in the interest of act utilitarianism. Thus, it would be in order to maximize total utility (however aggregated) that the normally admirable rule to respect property rights might be set aside in order to save the child while harming the drugs owner only a little. Are such calculations invalid? Well, I agree with your piece on interpersonal utility comparisons that these can be made in a crude fashion.

So, these are dilemmas, and you would feel guilty no matter what you did. But the point is to make the best choice as you feel it and live with the guilt.

Alrenous said...

I'm going to have to argue against Thomson, because I find his logic outrageously bad.

You don't much value the drug, yet you are refusing consent regardless. This doesn't make any sense, and is clearly not meant as a logical statement, but as a reaction against aristocrats.

Indeed, the aristocrat doesn't value the drug very much. But if so, why aren't they consenting? Either they value the child's life even less, or to consent would be to violate a principle which they do value highly.

In the first case, it's quite pointless to make an argument that they're disrespecting the child's anything. (It doesn't matter.) They're perfectly aware and perfectly apathetic. In the second, the argument misses the point.

Thomson should stick to rhetoric.

And if the child stole the drug, would you feel disdain for her blatant disregard for the man? I think not.

I most certainly would, though it would be mixed with my disregard for the aristocrat as well.

Returning to the window-smashing example, as the enthusiasm-valuing employer,* were I to find out;

*(A policy which badly backfired, as has been shown.)

"You smashed a window to get to a phone? Now that's enthusiasm! But I don't want to hire you anymore."

The employer would see this as a sign of further antisocial tendencies, and quite rationally take someone else.

Boundary crossing, technically the origin of the word trespass, (for big step), is not condonable precisely because you must create such contrived instances to expose any kind of weakness. No healthy society will ever run into these difficulties, because both phones and medicine will have multiple sources.

These arguments show more that monopolies are evil than that trespass should be allowed.

Danny Shahar said...

Jeepers; looks like I totally forgot to respond to the two previous commenters...sorry guys! I'll try to get around to that soon...

Alrenous, I think the answer to some of your confusion is actually contained in your comment. You ask, "Indeed, the aristocrat doesn't value the drug very much. But if so, why aren't they consenting? Either they value the child's life even less, or to consent would be to violate a principle which they do value highly." Thomson (it's a she) has the former reason in mind: the aristocrat simply does not care about the child, as you pointed out.

As I attempt to tease out in my essay, there's a tension between the idea that the aristocrat doesn't care what happens to the child, and the idea that we should nevertheless respect his title to the drug. If libertarian conceptions of rights are built on the foundation of recognizing the value in others, then it would seem odd for the aristocrat to demand that people respect the importance of his title to the drug, while simultaneously ignoring the importance of the child's plight. On one hand, he would be acting as if he thought that people had no duty to be concerned with others' interests, and on the other hand, he would be saying that people should be concerned with his. As I see it, the aristocrat would be something of a hypocrite.

Now, you point out that you would feel disregard towards the child for stealing the drug, but I find this somewhat surprising. You believe that the appropriate thing for the child to do would be to simply sit down and die? Most people disagree.

I do agree somewhat with your point about needing to find extreme situations to justify boundary crossings, and I personally don't find this result surprising. I would expect to find that under normal circumstances, it would be best to honor others' rights. I mean, keep in mind that in the theory from which I'm departing, people are supposed to honor rights in every situation!

Alrenous said...

You believe that the appropriate thing for the child to do would be to simply sit down and die? Most people disagree.

I made no argument about what she should or should not do, simply that I would be uncomfortable associating with her after her theft. This is simply an empirical fact.

So ideally she should get someone else to steal it for her and receive it in ignorance.

In general, rather than adding epicycles, I still prefer to say that moral right and wrong are never the only criterion against which we should judge actions.

Because right and wrong cannot be approached in a way analogous to physics, it needs rigid logical structure. Getting fuzzy around the edges doesn't seem like a good strategy, though I can't prove it right now.

But regarding the window.

Imagine a financially analogous situation. Instead of Lucy's window, my birdfeeder.

I can't imagine feeling anything other than annoyance. I certainly won't go to the court system.

However, for the argument to remain in force, Lucy must want to press charges, as otherwise the argument simply goes,

"Jerry may be in the wrong for smashing the window, but it doesn't matter as he'll never be punished for it. He can apologize to Lucy if he wishes."

And as such Lucy feels significantly harmed, regardless of what happens to her balance sheet.

This is most likely because if Jerry can smash due to life-altering circumstances, then there's going to be a lot of bona fide criminals who suddenly claim that their crimes were also due to life-altering circumstances, and now you have to prove them all liars.

Danny Shahar said...

Well the thing is, I'm not directly concerned here with coming up with a way that society should deal with these kinds of problems (I discussed this at the end of the paper). The question is what Jerry ought to do, given the way that he understands the situation. By this standard, Jerry's wrongness has nothing to do with a punishment he receives, or Lucy's decision regarding what she wants to do about the situation. The question is whether Jerry's breaking into Lucy's house would disrespect Lucy's individuality and inherent moral worth.

As for the rigidity that you claim is necessary to work with notions of rights, I'm not sure I agree. Since you just sort of assert your position, I'm not entirely sure why you think that. I've laid out my basic way of approaching rights-oriented issues in this post; I think it's a much more appropriate way of thinking than the more rigid structures.

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